the deficit's going down. this year alone, medicare, medicaid, social security and interest on the debt consumes every dollar that washington takes in. this is such a crisis, and it's growing. >> well, this whole idea that don't worry about the debt, you had a little tangle with the krugman a couple of weeks ago. this exposes how wrong the view is. don't worry about the debt because the debt has built to a large number what the congressional budget office is showing is that we're going to be paying a lot of money on that debt, and it's going to crowd out vital public services. and that's why we had to worry about the debt all along. and we didn't. now it's built up. now we're facing reality. i thought it was a little odd. the president said, well, we have to do something, but he didn't offer anything to do because the main part he played was two months ago, he said, let's make the tax cuts permanent, both sides, and now we see, well, you can't afford that. >> you talk about paul krugman -- >> that's what they